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1 2023-08-12 04:46

<insert radical political opinion here>

2 2023-08-12 07:16

Boycott C, promote Lisp.
Merge Common Lisp and Scheme into a United Lisp.

3 2023-08-12 12:49

Jews aren't evil.

4 2023-08-13 03:52

The United Nations should declare Scheme to be the official programming language of the whole world.

5 2023-08-13 16:59 *

I will always love you.

6 2023-08-14 04:02

https://www.internationalist.org/who-was-behind-2014-maidan-massacre-2204.html

https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraines-protest-movement-fueled-by-social-media/1871457.html

7 2023-08-15 05:58

>>6
Actually, I changed my mind. I now think, it's more complicated than that.

did the maidan snipers *accidentally* hit some of the protestors as well?

+ both sides had "snipers" (dont seem that accurate)

confuse them because they are wearing shields like police, only lower quality ones?

+ smoke

8 2023-08-16 04:16

>>7 (still me)
idk russia's secret services must be spreading lies as well.
must have been something like an open fight with each blaming the other side.

9 2023-08-16 04:53

The first protesters were killed in fierce clashes with police on Hrushevsky Street on 19–22 January.

So indeed deaths already before any snipers.

10 2023-08-31 06:24 *

zuck be like: why bother killing people myself or giving explicit orders to kill, if i can just trick them into killing eachother or themselves?

11 2023-08-31 19:13

USA @ Germany: If you don't attack Putin, the new Hitler, you are Nazis and should kill yourselves.
Russia @ Germany: If you attack Russia (again!), you are Nazis and should kill yourselves.

12 2023-09-01 03:25

I'm not saying Putin is good. I'm saying he's scared enough of NATO nukes that he wouldnt have thrown diplomany out the window, had he seen much other choice. It's this very same fear that motivated him to attack.

13 2023-09-06 17:33

Thanks for this free speech place

14 2023-09-24 01:04 *

Extrajudicial enforcement code orange has got me feeling down. Or was it brown or green or what?

15 2023-09-26 03:56

Not all Colors are equal...some colours are slower than others

16 2023-09-26 16:38

sex with childs should be legal

17 2023-09-27 13:13

sex with childs should be illegal

18 2023-09-28 03:24

sex with Cniles should be illegal

19 2023-09-28 06:31

sex with Cniles should be legal

20 2023-09-29 16:48

Sex with Cniles is already illegal, isn't it?

21 2023-09-29 16:50

Lisp sucks!

22 2023-09-29 16:51 *

Women *deserve* the right to vote.

23 2023-10-07 17:48 *

Weird thought (corrections welcome): Having no children means you are a loser as an animal. Having many children means you're trying to take other people's land.

24 2023-10-07 19:07 *

Seenotrettung, ja, aber zurück nach Afrika, damit nicht noch mehr das Risiko eingehen oder sich gar darauf verlassen trotz windigster Boote eh gerettet zu werden?

25 2023-10-09 15:35 *

One aspect regarding the middle east conflict that can easily be overlooked, is that it's not just about hatred between different religions but also about cold rational land ownership interests...

26 2023-10-13 03:35 *

>>3 Jewish morality is good. It's just somewhat outdated and therefore rudimentary.

27 2023-10-23 17:08

Woman is the nigger of the world.

28 2023-10-24 01:26

BLM crowd now pogroming Jews in NYC
Was it worth it, Shlomo, was it worth it?

29 2023-11-05 13:05

I love khazar milkers! ッ!(;`Д´)

30 2023-11-05 19:32

women be shopping

31 2023-11-06 02:50

communism will win

32 2023-11-06 15:49

the future of a censorship resistant social media will be built on top of plain git

33 2023-11-06 15:54

in the storybook mike mulligan and his steam shovel, there is a critical flaw in the book; when mike mulligan and mary-anne are digging the town cellar, there are no dump trucks and they somehow get trapped at the bottom of the cellar without having actually removed the dirt

34 2023-11-07 06:12

koff

35 2023-11-07 13:25 *

Satan creates division so as to destroy us.

36 2023-11-08 17:32

Unix is for eunuchs.

37 2023-11-22 11:58

I hate Russians

38 2023-12-02 04:44

Even though peaceful anarchy is not reachable, it should be allowed to think, talk, write and publish about that ideal.

Anything that is purely information doesn't harm anyone.

Drawing and writing anything online should be allowed.

Even if someone writes "Kill all Germans.", so what? Somebody else will write "Don't kill all Germans."

Even drawing naked children should be allowed like it is in Japan. Doesn't that in fact help harm the market for actual child raping and filming? Even that material should be considered evidence *of* the crime rather than the crime itself.

What else in extreme cases did I forget? My overall point remains: Allow all writings and drawing on the Internet. Completely free flow of information. This isn't even anarchy. This is just a logical extension of the Free Speech argument from classical liberalism.

39 2023-12-02 18:07

>>38

Doesn't that in fact help harm the market for actual child raping and filming?

No, it creates a demand for an acquired paraphilia in the same way that other pathological paraphilia have exploded since the advent of social media and Tumblr. Sure, most people will keep it private and internally wired, but there is a sizeable minority that will actually try to act upon it. Not to mention that a slightly larger minority will attempt to manifest a slow creep towards toleration and acceptance of the same.
I personally believe in uncircumscribed creative freedom *despite* this, but minimizing the actual effect does not help legitimate classical liberal norms.

40 2023-12-02 23:05

>>32
dude attempted this in 2019
https://www.karimyaghmour.com/blog/2019/02/gitgeist-a-git-based-social-network-proof-of-concept.html

41 2023-12-21 04:53

(((Democracy))): The God That Failed.

42 2023-12-22 16:11

>>40
Interesting.

43 2023-12-24 23:18 *

stalinism = fascism + hypocritical facade of equality ?

44 2023-12-26 20:39

Yasukuni Shrine is beautiful! (..>◡<..)

45 2023-12-26 22:17

C is better than Rust.

46 2023-12-27 12:58

One nation cannot judge other nations. You need a supernational institution for that.

47 2023-12-27 14:50

>>46
tell me you're German without telling me you're German

48 2023-12-28 18:38

nuclear weapons ban now

just make new international union if current one cant cut it

49 2023-12-29 01:49

oktoberfest

50 2023-12-29 04:33

jvm should've become the web platform instead of whatever the hell javascript is

51 2023-12-29 09:18

>>48
At the very least, there should be proper nuclear weapons control and regular safety checks, otherwise an accidental explosion might be mistaken for an attack and could lead to terminal nuclear war.

52 2023-12-29 19:45

A terrorist wants to harm random people, I want to protect random people.

53 2023-12-29 19:54

Nuclear weapons are a too high risk for everyone.

It shouldn't be necessary to say this, but never connect nukes to the Internet.

I hope hacker controlled drone armies will in the future dismantle nukes one by one in all nations, while keeping the balance of power at all times during the process...

54 2023-12-29 20:04

>>53 extreme caution while separating the two halves of the critical mass though...

55 2023-12-29 20:06

perhaps some sort of x-ray and water/laser cutter system...

56 2023-12-30 14:57

Israel and Palestine should send each other cake instead of bombs.

57 2023-12-31 07:25

Nobody is "too strong" not to be afraid of nuclear weapons.

Earth doesn't offer enough space for epic good versus evil battles between nuclear powers. Both together would destroy earth the moment they start.

Nuclear disarmament ASAP.

58 2023-12-31 07:28

All sides are called to peace, not just one.

59 2023-12-31 14:51

Impeach Anthony Blinken and send his warmongering ass to the Hague

60 2024-01-12 12:16

I'm in favor of France lending nuclear weapons to Germany. This might decrease the risk of escalation between capitalism and communism (/zarism) by having a strong mixed system buffer in between and making Germany less of a lapdog to US military propaganda...

61 2024-01-12 12:32

I like trans woman and would be willing to marry one

62 2024-01-12 13:39 *

Trannyism is a mental illness.

63 2024-01-12 13:50

>>61 Liking someone and marrying someone are two very different things.

64 2024-01-12 13:53

I prefer tomboys. Tomboys are the best.

65 2024-01-12 20:45

>>64 Agreed.

66 2024-01-13 13:29

Nuclear weapons cannot be used against other nuclear powers, but - as a last resort at very small scale, very carefully, in principle, after threatening first - against standing armies of wannabe super soldiers...

(Then again that kind of world still seems very unsafe and the more people can press the button, the higher the risk that someone will. So maybe drones against wannbe biological overlords instead in the future? Not to happay about robo drones either but perhaps have to pick the smaller evil. idk im open to ideas that will make earth safer (really safer not some excuse for authoritarianism))

67 2024-01-13 14:05

lmao more weapons to make earth safer

68 2024-01-14 13:06

big corporate boss bad

69 2024-01-14 21:46

https://usefulfictions.substack.com/p/how-to-be-more-agentic

>>64
Tomo-chan is a girl.

70 2024-01-15 13:51

Thenword "anti-semitism" is losing impact, and the kikes are responsible for it with their public genocide. They still try to make it sound like a big deal, they still invoke it whenever someone criticizes them. But the wheels of history are turning, and the public is shifting from a horror of antisemitism to a more healthy suspicion of kikes. Now, instead of anitsemitism, we'll be talking about the bad stuff that jews have done. It's been out in the open for a while, now we just need to keep these awareness in the mainstream, and maybe the world that the kikes work so hard to mantain will continue to crumble and die.

71 2024-01-15 13:53

Of course, the word kikes can only be said in safe spaces. With cattle you need to say 'jews', and tactfully question the stuff that has been promoted by the "jews", such as genocide and war.

72 2024-01-15 16:08

Killing muslims is bad?

73 2024-01-15 21:02

it's worse than killing jews

74 2024-01-15 22:06 *

Criticizing heads of state, and actual mass murderers, is always appropriate. Mixing that up with racism is just an excuse to have a scapegoat for your own failures. America did one successful genocide already and ran out of Amerindians to point fingers at, so now European traditions like antisemitism are back in vogue, but even if you did the perfect holocaust and ran out of semites to anti-, you'd be back at square one looking for another substitute scapegoat.

How about we skip right to blaming the Irish?

75 2024-01-16 15:18

>>74

americans are racist genociders
jews dindu nuffin'
sacrifice the micks instead

i wonder who's behind this post

76 2024-01-16 15:43

>>75
Has to be the Irish

77 2024-01-16 17:07 *

I like Jews. Irish people are cool too but I really like Jews. I like Jesus, Spinoza, the Sussman, Perelman, Erdős, Judy Blume... Weird Jews, regular Jews, herem Jews, too many Jews to list them all.
Do you have a favorite Jew?

78 2024-01-16 23:49

Fugitive pedophile and paid confidential informant Richard Goldberg.

79 2024-01-17 00:14

My favorites are Sholom Rubashkin, slaughterhouse magnet that used child and immigrant slaves and the Rockland 7 that embezzled millions of dollars from a fund created to provide the Internet to underserved schools and libraries:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/seven-defendants-plead-guilty-defrauding-federal-program-provided-technology-funding

80 2024-01-21 07:12

Judaism is the basis of our own culture: Proving yourself as a believer of the public lie...

81 2024-01-21 07:20

I will not stand for fascists of any kind taking away my basic liberty rights.

82 2024-01-21 07:31

>>78
>>79
What about the thousands of examples Christians who murder other Christians every day? Do they prove all Christians are evil? What about all the Jews that didn't do such bad things? Are you going to give them the maximum punishment, too? How would you feel about being murdered as a punishment just for being a Christian, atheist, white or whatever?

83 2024-01-21 08:06

Centralized authoritarian economy is inefficient and prone to abuse. UBI is much better.

84 2024-01-21 08:59

>>82

Do they prove all Christians are evil?

Yes, of course.
Ultimately, we are left with no choice but to immanentize the eschaton.

85 2024-01-21 12:50 *

It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ

86 2024-01-21 15:35

Libertas quæ sera tamen

87 2024-01-21 17:08

>>82

What about the thousands of examples Christians who murder other Christians every day?

Are they actually Christians, as in, do they either have fervent faith in their religion or obey either the spirit or letter of Christianity? Are they ethnically Christian? I'll save the trouble: no and no. Anyone can become a Christian and be recognized as such by other Christians; nobody that is not ethnically Jewish can become a Jew to all Jews.

What about all the Jews that didn't do such bad things?

Do you blame the soldier ant workers for the behavior of the sentinels? Yes, you do, because they form a stigmergic mass that has decentralized coordination. If you don't remove the queen and the workers, they'll reproduce new sentinels.
Say what you will about the Catholic Church (or even temple Judaism), but if you destroy the Vatican and its inhabitants, the Catholic Church ceases to exist, as the lineage and continuity that underpins the legitimacy of its heritage has been destroyed. The ant hill can be destroyed, the queen killed, and the colony will end.
Rabbinic Judaism and deracinated Jews do not fit this mold. They are army ants. So long as the queen, that is the Talmud and Pentateuch, exists, any Jew can rediscover their "heritage" of victimhood, separation, and the permitted exploitation of gentiles.

Are you going to give them the maximum punishment, too? How would you feel about being murdered as a punishment just for being a Christian, atheist, white or whatever?

There has never been a time in history more anti-racist than the present, with broad development and legitimacy obtained by ethnically-tolerant whites and Christians. Minorities didn't "win" these rights, but were *given* them. Similarly, slavery was broadly extinguished from the planet by willing European Christians over the pleas of the non-European and non-Christian nations.
And there's the ultimate irony: the Ashkenazim's existence in the West has *always* been one of perennial guest underpinned by Catholic, Christian, and European charity, with ample invitation to integrate. Yet history perennially demonstrates that Jews are voluntarily ethnically separate and will never reciprocate the hand extended to them and will instead abuse their hosts until they respond. Then they use this response as further justification for separation and abuse, adding it to the tome of victimhood, perennially repeated and celebrated for all time (Boo, Haman! Boo, Hitler!). And there's the rub: the predicates of Ashkenazim existence in the West and in Israel are fundamentally jeopardized by the fading away of Christianity and ethnic Europeans. The world will not tolerate the Jewish people as Christian Europeans did.
The tragedy of anti-racism, amply embraced by Jews in the West to create a multicultural environment to nominally prevent another shoah by an exclusive ethnic hegemon, is that the logical conclusion of anti-racism is the extermination of the Jews as a people because they, as a totality, will never join the melting pot that everyone else has been forced to jump in.
It won't be ethnic Europeans that exterminate the Jewish people in the name of racial purity, but the de-Christianized "race of the future" that will exterminate the Jewish people for precisely the opposite goal: racial impurity. The logic that demonizes the existence of National Socialism (which is German Zionism by any other name) *must* inevitably demonize Zionism itself. And all too late, as events since October 7th have shown, will the Jewish people recognize that they sold the rope that will be used to hang them.

88 2024-01-22 17:16

>>87

ethnically Christian

What does that even mean? Egyptian or Greek?

89 2024-01-22 17:57

>>88
It doesn't mean anything. That's the point. Associating Christianity or atheism with ethnicity is a category error. Associating Judaism and ethnicity is not.

90 2024-01-22 17:58

>>88
It doesn't mean anything. That's the point. Associating Christianity or atheism with ethnicity is a category error. Associating Judaism and ethnicity is not, despite the existence of Reform and liberal Judaism.

91 2024-01-22 18:19

Josef Schuster, President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, described the protests as restoring Jews' faith in German democracy, which had been damaged following antisemitism during the Israel–Hamas war.

Violent extermination and resettlement of ethnic minorities to establish a pure ethnic homeland? Fine if in Israel and to attack it is antisemitic.

Use the democratic process to peacefully build a resettlement policy for people with homelands to return to?, guaranteeing a homeland for ethnic Germans? Antisemitic and a resurgence in Nazism.

It's all so tiresome.

92 2024-01-23 07:42

If you want to go back to ancient Rome, fascist, then be a slave yourself but leave me out of it.

(This thread could become a fun place to shout at fascists, nazis and stalinists for their stupudity of believing lies of governing classes who didn't give a shit about the population.)

93 2024-01-23 12:52

>>92

get called an -ist
derided with no content

yup, that's a w, thanks for playing midwit

94 2024-01-23 15:31

anarchy is order

95 2024-02-18 13:37 *

free speech survives

96 2024-02-18 13:37 *

rate linit test

97 2024-02-18 15:24

God's in his heaven. All's right with the world!
(ノ°∀°)ノ⌒・:.。. .。.:・゜゚・*☆

98 2024-02-19 12:18

just saw a mountain cat \O/

99 2024-02-21 20:06

me in the horizon

100 2024-02-22 04:06

100GET

101 2024-02-22 09:48

101GET

102 2024-02-23 01:22

103 FAIL

103 2024-02-23 18:52

Premature.

104 2024-04-20 00:12

If you neglect the very strong and very lengthy arguments by John Stuart Mill for at least allowing basic liberties under any circumstances, you will get totalitarian fascism and you will regret it.

105 2024-05-03 02:18

>>77

Einstein is my favorite Jew.
Zuckerberg is my least favorite Jew.

106 2024-05-04 12:59 *

8 Thou hast put away mine acquaintance far from me; thou hast made me an abomination unto them: I am shut up, and I cannot come forth.

107 2024-05-24 17:29

McCarthy Was Right! ━╤デ╦︻-(..>◡<..)-︻╦̵̵͇̿̿̿̿══╤─

108 2024-06-03 07:47 *

Thr USA should stop projecting their own problems with fascism onto Russia, which has always been authoritarian.

109 2024-06-03 23:40

>>104
I do totally agree with that one. Moreover, there is only one ultimate choice to which all the politics can be deconstructed: either you trade your liberties & freedoms for comfort and/or safety, or vice versa. And the sad thing is that at all times the absolute majority of people seem to choose comfort and safety for their less demanded liberties.

110 2024-06-04 08:18

>>108
be respectful russian is a absolutely pure tsarist monarchy with a mask to deal with americas just for faggots zionism

111 2024-06-04 08:21 *

patchouli not my demiurge is a faggot and lost after getting btfoed harvested by herdniggers archons
going brandonpost on 9ch and 0-chan now de way

112 2024-06-09 01:54

americans have surrendered their humanity to their new god: the Almighty Hamburger

113 2024-06-09 04:51 *

hearsay think of the olden one the space spaghetti monster

114 2024-06-13 07:28

Trannies might be mentally ill, but the mentally ill still deserve to go to sleep and wake up the next day. If injecting Lithuanian bathtub compounds gets you there, so be it.

115 2024-06-16 17:45

^ not when they groom children into their sick death cult they don't

116 2024-06-16 19:30

John Stuart Mill was right.

117 2024-06-16 20:17

Let Assange go, now!

118 2024-06-16 20:19

while Assange.NotIsFree():
print "Let Assange go, now!"

119 2024-06-16 20:22

Let Assange go, now!

120 2024-06-17 22:27

Ceterum censeo Cathaginem esse delendam (ノ^-^)ノ….((((((((((((●~* (((≪☆BOMB☆*≫)))

121 2024-06-18 16:30

>>118
A victim of FIOC (Forced Indentation of Code).

122 2024-06-24 02:58

Homeless women are absolute proof that Citizenship should be earned through education and Civil Service. American homeless women are horridly egotistical and, somehow slavishly loyal to whatever chosen demographic they think they can claim. Each one of these parasites finds some way to claim a leadership status over all other women while occupying the self given position of absolute victim.
They are not worth "saving". Each one of them dead makes the world a better place.

123 2024-06-25 15:51

>>117-119
Assange was let go.

124 2024-06-29 11:07

The idea of a black hole was cosmic horror to all these folk. It caused existential crisis when you try imagine what is happening in and around a black hole. I'm not surprised they did everything they could to deny and disprove it.
Most would have had religious convictions that were really challenged by the physical reality of the universe.

125 2024-08-08 10:03

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126 2024-08-15 11:17

The punch line here is... remember what my husband said about the golf cart we saw? GEM makes carts that seat five in addition to the driver, with a higher seating position and open sides or optionally large doors for faster board/deboard. Even with the 25mph stock speed limiter for NEV/LSV regulatory compliance (and believe me, with some adjustments to the motor controller they can go faster), I suspect that switching the Loop entirely to GEMs would increase its total capacity. And the GEMs honestly suck, in the world of light electric vehicles. They just kind of pulled off a regulatory capture move and got the NEV rules written to pretty much require something that sucks as much as they do for street legality.

Subjective Experience
So as I said, this is not a review, just trying to focus on some things of interest to transit, communications, and policy dweebs. Which I assume pretty much describes my core readers. But I do want to point out a couple of oddities that add to the "wow, this is cheap" sensation:

The ride is surprisingly rough, even in a Model Y with highway-grade suspension. I am concerned that they may not be able to do much better when paving in the confined tunnels, given that I don't think standard paving equipment would fit in the loading gauge. The ride experience was not "oooo electric car luxury," it was more on par with the Orlando Airport APM100s with sketchy steering gear.

For the segment that requires tickets (to Resorts World), the ticketing system is based on a QR code. The customer-side implementation is fine enough, but the ticket checking is laughable. It's an iPad where you have to show a QR code to the front-facing camera, meaning you have to present the QR code with your phone facing away from you, looking at the image on the iPad for alignment. It is very awkward and there is no reason for it besides cheapness. Plus there's not really any way for the attendant to see if the ticket is valid without standing awkwardly close to you to look at the same iPad screen you are, and indeed, I accidentally scored a free ride by merit of the attendant's inability to see the actual result of the ticket check.

The stations are not especially well thought out. People walking in and out of the stations have to cross the path of the Loop vehicles in some places. The attendants are supposed to direct people and, for trips to Resorts World, collect fare, but the design of some stations lacks a chokepoint at which to do so. The attendants have to kind of chase people down after they've already walked straight to a vehicle.

The tunnel to Resorts World is one-way. Its portal is connected to the West LVCC station by a tunnel, but the station and the Resorts World portal are actually in the same parking lot. They seem to have adopted a practice of cars one way going through the tunnel, and cars the other way just driving... across the parking lot. This is very funny to experience and contributes a lot to the feeling that the Loop is only marginally an underground system. I doubt the original designers intended for this outcome, it seems like the money spent on the connecting tunnel was completely wasted, but I'm assuming that eliminating one segment of single-track tunnel helped with throughput. Their approach to managing traffic at the Resorts World portal also involves a sort of approach-pattern-esque architecture where every car has to drive in a circle around the portal before entering, which is funny.

This stuff matters in my mind because it gets to the question of what the Loop... is for? The capacity of the Loop is very low. The expansion plan calls for a lot of tunnels, doubled up for capacity in places, but targets only 90k passengers per day. That would put it at around 8x the current daily ridership of the monorail, but with a vastly larger network of stations. Presumably they will expand fare collection, and I would have to think that tickets will actually become fairly expensive. so it's probably not intended to be a high-capacity, low-cost option.

So what else could it be? Well, some press and discussion around the Loop figures it as more of a luxury option: something that casinos can comp for high rollers, that will spare people dealing with the general disaster of getting around the strip. But it also doesn't feel like that. The outdoor stations, need to quickly board and deboard a sedan, and general chaos level of the stations (i.e. attendant chasing you down for ticket) make it feel more "courtesy car" than "black car."

I don't know, they could totally dress it up a bit and make it feel fancier. Some paint here and there, train the attendants better, do more to direct traffic. They could! But right now I think the best way to describe the Las Vegas Loop is... "cheap and amateurish." Surprisingly fitting with the Las Vegas vibe, in a way.

127 2024-08-17 08:34

Artists Score Major Win in Copyright Case Against AI Art Generators
The court declined to dismiss copyright infringement claims against the AI companies. The order could implicate other firms that used Stable Diffusion, the AI model at issue in the case.

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Artists suing generative artificial intelligence art generators have cleared a major hurdle in a first-of-its-kind lawsuit over the uncompensated and unauthorized use of billions of images downloaded from the internet to train AI systems, with a federal judge allowing key claims to move forward.

U.S. District Judge William Orrick on Monday advanced all copyright infringement and trademark claims in a pivotal win for artists. He found that Stable Diffusion, Stability’s AI tool that can create hyperrealistic images in response to a prompt of just a few words, may have been “built to a significant extent on copyrighted works” and created with the intent to “facilitate” infringement. The order could entangle in the litigation any AI company that incorporated the model into its products.

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Claims against the companies for breach of contract and unjust enrichment, plus violations of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act for removal of information identifying intellectual property, were dismissed. The case will move forward to discovery, where the artists could uncover information related to the way in which the AI firms harvested copyrighted materials that were then used to train large language models.

Karla Ortiz, who brought the lawsuit, has worked on projects like Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War and Thor: Ragnarok and is credited with coming up with the main character design for Doctor Strange. Amid the rise of AI tools in the production pipeline, concept artists like Ortiz are taking stock of further displacement down the road if the tech advances and courts side with AI firms on certain intellectual property questions posed by the tools.

Widespread adoption of AI in the movie­making process will depend largely on how courts rule on novel legal issues raised by the tech. Among the few considerations holding back further deployment of the tech is the specter of a court ruling that the use of copyrighted materials to train AI systems constitutes copyright infringement. Another factor is that AI-generated works are not eligible for copyright protection.

The lawsuit, filed last year, revolves around the LAION data set, which was built using 5 billion images that were allegedly scraped from the internet and utilized by Stability and Runway to create Stable Diffusion. It implicated Midjourney, which trained its AI system using the model, as well as DeviantArt for using the model in DreamUp, an image generation tool.

On dismissal, Stability and Runway challenged the artists’ arguments that it induced copyright infringement and that the Stable Diffusion models are themselves infringing works. Under this theory, they induced infringement by distributing the models when any third-party uses the models provided by the company, exposing it to potentially massive damages.

Siding with artists, Orrick concluded that they sufficiently alleged that Stable Diffusion is built off of copyrighted material and that the “way the product operates necessarily invokes copies or protected elements of those works.” In a finding that could spell trouble for AI companies that used the model, he said that Stability and Runway could’ve promoted copyright infringement and that Stable Diffusion was “created to facilitate that infringement by design.”

When it dismissed infringement claims last year, the court found that the theory of the case was “unclear” as to whether there are copies of training images stored in Stable Diffusion that are then utilized by DeviantArt and Midjourney. It pointed to the defense’s arguments that it’s impossible for billions of images “to be compressed into an active program,” like Stable Diffusion.

Following the dismissal, the artists amended one of the prongs of their lawsuit to claim that Midjourney separately trained its product on the LAION data set and that it incorporates Stable Diffusion into its own product.

In another loss for the AI companies, the court rebuffed arguments that the lawsuit must identify specific, individual works that each of the artists who filed the complaint alleges were used for training.

“Given the unique facts of this case — including the size of the LAION datasets and the nature of defendants’ products, including the added allegations disputing the transparency of the ‘open source’ software at the heart of Stable Diffusion — that level of detail is not required for plaintiffs to state their claims,” the order stated.

In a May hearing, DeviantArt warned that several other companies will be sued if the artists’ infringement claims against firms that simply utilized Stable Diffusion and had no part in creating it survives dismissal.

“The havoc that would be wreaked by allowing this to proceed against DeviantArt is hard to state,” said Andy Gass, a lawyer for the company. “Here, we really have an innumerable number of parties no differently situated than [us] that would be subject to a claim.”

Gass added that DeviantArt “didn’t develop any gen AI models” and that “all [it’s] alleged to have done is take StabilityAI’s Stable Diffusion model, download it, upload it and offer a version DreamUp to users.”

The court also stressed that Midjourney produced images similar to artists’ works when their names were used as prompts. This, along with claims that the company published images that incorporate plaintiffs’ names on its site showcasing the capability of its tool, served as the basis for allowing trademark claims to move forward. It said that whether a consumer would be misled by Stability’s actions into believing that artists endorsed its product can be tested at a later stage of the case.

In a thread on Discord, the platform where Midjourney operates, chief executive David Holz posted the names of roughly 4,700 artists he said that its AI tool can replicate. This followed Stability chief executive Prem Akkaraju saying that the company downloaded from the internet troves of images and compressed them in a way that can “re-create” any of those images.

In discovery, lawyers for the artists are expected to pursue information related to how Stability and Runway built Stable Diffusion and the LAION data set. They represent Sarah Andersen, Kelly McKernan and Ortiz, among several others.

128 2024-08-19 15:03

For a united, neutral, democratic Korea not dependent on USA, China, Russia, Japan or anybody else.

129 2024-08-19 15:10

United Korea should have moderate social market economy instead of these extremes of predatory captialism and Stalinism screaming against eachother.

130 2024-08-20 05:50 *

It's ok to be slightly white.

131 2024-08-29 12:39

post a new thread on ejmr technology subboard about the economics of why America can’t make a twitter replacement
thread is silently deleted in under a minute

Srsly what is wrong with the internet now? I don’t even like ejmr but forums where you can type an idea into space and get a response are not that common??? What habbened

Threads that aren’t deleted:
* kamala
* da vax
* jd vance
* conservative race bait
* more trash

132 2024-08-29 13:25

>>131
I've never heard of ejmr before. Is it the most popular western anonymous board?

133 2024-08-31 02:13

I don't hate murrica because they are successful (they aren't!), I hate them because their people are fucking awful.

134 2024-08-31 03:30

I'm not saying Putin was right, but I am saying it is understandable that he's scared of NATO and this should be taken into account. Whoever pushed Putin's buttons shares part of the blame in the needless war deaths in Ukraine.

135 2024-08-31 03:36

The whole original purpose of NATO was anti-Moscow after all.

136 2024-08-31 03:39

What the USA is supposed to represent in the world is a force for civil liberty rights. So, stop being fascist.

137 2024-08-31 03:41

Edward Snowden is one of America's best in terms of living up to their own traditional moral standards.

138 2024-08-31 03:45

Pardon Snowden.

139 2024-08-31 03:46

It's not radical to ask this.

140 2024-08-31 03:47

Exposing illegal actions committed by government institutions should be legal in a functioning democracy.

141 2024-08-31 18:20

>>140
Reality and expectations diverge. What you were sold is not what got delivered.

Democracy is a cover-up for the true government to operate in peace.

Can you count how many times people voted for 'change' but got short-changed instead? Don't get upset about it.

The French are wondering what happened to their pensions. The Americans wonder whether their government is simply an Annex for the Israeli government. The European Union only keeps getting bigger and more bureaucratic. The Chinese people can only choose to look the other way than at all the mass-genocides that keep happening. Russians and Ukrainians are at a war that was orchestrated by NATO.

All these governments and organisations claim to be 'democratic'.

Actions taken by governments which claim to be 'democratic' against the people who reveal their dirty secrets only show what their true intentions are behind the 'democracy' facade.

What does a democracy have to keep secrets for anyway?

142 2024-09-01 15:08

>>141

What does a democracy have to keep secrets for anyway?

I agree.

All these governments and organisations claim to be 'democratic'.

Democracy can be only a label, of course.
The degree to which it is actually implemented is to be judged on a continuous spectrum.

By the way, the utopian ideals at the good end of this spectrum would probably not democratic, but something like everyone is fruendly to eachother without being forced to, but in this real present world, we have to be glad, if there is some bottom-up control in place of would be tyrants.

143 2024-09-02 03:03

Remember, functionally, "democratic" means

aligned with the interests of the US

and "dictator(ship)" means

inconvenient for the US

while we are at it, "freedom" and "liberty" both mean

subject to the orders of the US

144 2024-09-02 09:41

Judas, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Robert Maxwell, Harvey Weinstein, Bernie Madoff, Roman Polanski, Ariel Sharon, Robert Oppenheimer, Anthony Fauci...
too many to name

145 2024-09-02 09:42

>>144
meant to reply to >>77

146 2024-09-02 16:48

>>144
Don't forget Monica Lewinsky.

147 2024-09-03 07:34

Ukraine, please don't attack targets deep in Russian territory or in Russian territory, at all. Being morally right won't help anyone, if it leads to nuclear war between Russia and NATO and therefore to the end of humanity.

148 2024-09-03 07:36

>>143 Only in US propaganda. Not how everyone else uses the worfs based on their etymology. Anyway, you understand what I mean, I hope.

149 2024-09-04 02:07

>>142

By the way, the utopian ideals at the good end of this spectrum would probably not [be] democratic, but something like everyone is friendly to each other without being forced to, but in this real present world, we have to be glad, if there is some bottom-up control in place of would be tyrants.

There is no hope for even a semblance of bottom-up control in any of these so-called democracies, even in the 'free world'. The closest form of bottom-up control is mass protests, which oftentimes goes unnoticed in the true corridors of power and is usually concluded by a few reassuring speeches and gestures by the elected government. All this while, the main cause of discontent is carried out thoroughly, albeit delayed for a short while. Remember the Vietnam war protests and the recent French pension reform protests? What did those protests yield really?

At this point someone might point out that some protests have yielded a change in the direction of the government's actions. Those cases leave even stronger evidence that the true government only acts on what aligns with its aims. In other words, you cannot stop it from doing what it wants neither can you force it to do what it does not want.

In the end, the voting process becomes a polite reminder of the people's surrender of power to the government. The true government, on the other hand outlasts the voted representatives and remains untouchable by the public.

150 2024-09-04 12:22

“If you don’t vote you can’t complain”

“You voted for this”

“You lost”

It’s just consent manufacturing read Tge State and Revolution

151 2024-09-04 22:31

Break the addiction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ze4YqdVUTA
Focus on self-improvement

152 2024-10-06 13:03

You will find a psychiatrist that diagnozes anyone with anything that makes him or her the most money.

153 2024-10-06 13:04

Constant surveillance by an authority, such as in Zoom-Meetings, drives you nuts.

154 2024-10-06 13:06

A psychiatry is just a prison that calls inmates crazy whenever they call it one and that force-feeds drugs.

155 2024-10-06 13:07

"You better obey the fascist man~ You don't wanna end up in psychiatry do you~"

156 2024-10-06 13:08

A facebook user to scared to face up against fascist facebook, instead recognizes the power given to him by facebook and drives someone into suicide by isolating them.

157 2024-10-06 13:08

As he enters the psychiatry (before his suicide), he meets employees browsing facebook...

158 2024-10-06 13:09

He is vaguely reminded of gas chambers as he enters...

159 2024-10-06 13:13

Suicide - his final freedom - is also the crime they justify incarcerating him for...

160 2024-10-06 13:14

"You think, Israel has an atom bomb an that's dangerous for the world? You must be suicidal. Here's the number of a prison, I mean psychiatry, you can call."

161 2024-10-06 13:15

Not knowing too much is safer but also unethical.

162 2024-10-06 13:19

"You don't wanna gip over Germany for free and die in a pit? Ooh, Nazi thought's detected. Off to prison with drugs you go."

163 2024-10-06 13:39

Hitler was fucking stupid. The Jews still have us by the balls because of his crimes.

164 2024-10-06 13:40

Did the "Nazis" try to copy them?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

165 2024-10-06 13:40

Now Jews copy Nazis and do the same to us.

166 2024-10-06 13:41

Jews may be evil but if you are even more evil they can sue you.

167 2024-10-06 13:41

The world is not as simple as you think.

168 2024-10-06 13:42

Yet, if you think that people are dumb, you are right.

169 2024-10-06 14:35

>>153

Yes, Master. I for one think the master is right. I love my master. My master is absolutely right about punishing anything less than total devotion.

or

I have to develop a false face, a seperate identity. I can never wear my real identity on my face.

170 2024-10-08 01:06

all "jews" narrative is pushed by globohomo to distract attention from government and politicians. sadly, globohomo shills are here. real bad guys are government and those who work for it, and, of course, those who multiply like rabbits and produce new people that have no choice but to work for government. family is an abomination.

171 2024-10-08 18:08

If our morals are only based on fear of god, we are in trouble, as the believe in god is likely to fade, but we still need individual ethics for society to function.

172 2024-10-09 16:19

Free, legal euthanasia plus antinatalism solves all social, environmental and global problems but we have to try other solutions first.

173 2024-10-12 03:55

textboard.echobubble.xyz

come visit my ratbubble

174 2024-10-12 17:41

>>171
Base it on science!

175 2024-10-13 07:37

>>171
Why do you think relative morality is any better? Under this system, there is no objective reason to condemn other people for anything they willfully commit as all morality is subjective to each individual taste.

176 2024-10-13 23:09

Google “what are the kohlberg stages of moral development”

177 2024-10-15 05:18

Since both sides make moral arguments, could the middle east maybe get to the point where they aregue in front of an UN judge instead of fighting it out on the streets?

178 2024-10-15 05:29

>>175 I'm not saying it's better. I'm saying it might be the only thing left at one point, so we better make it work by then. Teach people/kids to reason about ethics, to feel how others feel regarding what you do to them and so on... Harm principle is a good and easy start. Heck, even what Jesus said, even if you believe he was only a human.

179 2024-10-15 06:36

>>173 ratboard sucks

180 2024-10-15 10:03

Grug no understand this:

Israel start war, Israel get love from West
Russia start war, Russia get hate from West

Grug confused. Start war good or star war bad?
Grug hits club on stone in frustration and breaks club.

Aaaaargh too hard for Grug to understand relativist ethics.

181 2024-10-15 16:03 *

Grug

Back to 4chan with you.

182 2024-10-16 22:22

Who prefers https://hckrnews.com/ ?

183 2024-10-17 11:45 *

I prefer textboard org when it doesn't 403.

184 2024-10-18 17:21

Moderates should be elected instead of letting hostages die again and again and then using that as more legitimation for war. Just negotiate. The people want it.

185 2024-10-18 17:35

Of course on the other side as well instead of helping the radicals to power to again legitimize war.

186 2024-10-20 12:08

> 181

Grug wants to stay here.

Grug lurk textboard for some time and Grug like textboard.

Grug will be a good boy.

Please let Grug stay.

Grug don't want to homeless.

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