Subjects: poetry, literature, mysticism, ancient philosophy, theology, metaphysics, etc.
Tell me about poetry. I remember as a small kid, fresh to school, it was something exciting. But then I had to memorize them, stand in front of the class, all eyes on me, and recite them without ever making a single mistake. I couldn't do that, it's just too much. After a while I just started to refuse to do it. I wonder if teachers are aware of the lasting psychological damage they are doing their pupils. They probably are, and that is the real reason they are teachers despite the starvation wages they get for endless work.
But then, respectable people speak so highly of poetry, I thought there must be something to it, so once I had school behind me, I started to read some in my free time. First I had to train my mind not to automatically shut down when it comes across a poem. Sometimes it still does. But I tried reading some poetry books and anthologies, and I still don't get it. I found a few poems here and there that I liked, almost all about suicide, but in general, I don't get what's all the fuss about. Why do people like it so much? Why do they consider it the highest form of literature and human expression?
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Why do you think poetry exists? Is literature a function of cultural context and nothing else?Why do novels only emerge in times of alienation? What kinds of ancient philosophy? Vedanta? Buddhism? Hellenism? Ancient eremeticism? What kind of theology? Apophatic theology? Is it even possible to render exoterica explicit?
Subjects: Scheme poetry, Scheme literature, Scheme mysticism, Scheme ancient philosophy, Scheme theology, Scheme metaphysics, etc.
>>4
Is this real literate programming?
>>4
Why aren't there more (any?) didactic programming texts written in themselves?
I had this same aversion towards literature written in my mother-tongue viz. Spanish. I eventually surmounted this. Jorge Luis Borges was a revelation to me. I'm more comfortable reading texts composed in Spanish now. Generally, I favor English. You could look into Alexander Pope. Your experience as a student evidently detracted from your savoring of poetry. I won't delve into why people enjoy poetry. That's pointless. The highest form of expression is devoid of form. It rests upon an intuition, upon a primordial yearning.
"If beauty awaits discovery everywhere, that is to say that it waits upon our recollection: in aesthetic contemplation as in love and knowledge, we momentarily recover the unity of our being released from individuality. There are no degrees of beauty; the most complex and the simplest expression remind us of one and the same state…"
- That Beauty is a State, A.K. Coomaraswamy
Poetry exists to evince one's propensity for self-oblivion. Literature has an edifying intent or it can prefigure decadence. Alienation affirms self-oblivion. Do ALL novels emerge from precarity? I don't think so. They may emerge from internal contention and friction in spite of a flourishing of abundance in other respects. There's a book called The Unknown God by Deirdre Carabine. It serves as a comprehensive introduction into apophasis. I think you mean esoterica. Exoterica is explicit by definition. Yes. It's possible. Through negation and privative predication. A distinction should be made between esoterica/occult knowledge and metaphysics. Neoplatonism and other forms of monistic emanationism mainly. I haven't gotten to Vedanta yet.
I wonder if teachers are aware of the lasting psychological damage they are doing their pupils. They probably are, and that is the real reason they are teachers despite the starvation wages they get for endless work.
Hanlon's razor fits here. They don't need to be malicious, just stupid. Public education is a dumpster fire for many reasons, the not least of which is due to the quality of prospective educators. Anyone with a brain can earn more money or do more "good" elsewhere.
It's also not only scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as intelligence and erudition, but then a strong iterative selection against those intolerant to anonymous bureaucracy and in favor of obliviousness. You end up with natural corrections officers by default, albeit with smiles and colorful pictures. For you, it was formative; for them, it was Tuesday.
Poetry exists to evince one's propensity for self-oblivion.
I was wondering why my two year old was repeating Goosey Goosey Gander to himself and now I know: he's chasing after the void. Ligotti must be right about everything after all.
Literature has an edifying intent or it can prefigure decadence.
Similarly, thanks to your wisdom concerning this topic, I can safely put the written word into one of two boxes: positive vibes or retrospective destruction. I'll make sure to carefully analyze Brandon Sanderson's next gay-for-pay slab under this lens.
Alienation affirms self-oblivion.
Do ALL novels emerge from precarity? I don't think so. They may emerge from internal contention and friction in spite of a flourishing of abundance in other respects. >There's a book called The Unknown God by Deirdre Carabine. It serves as a comprehensive introduction into apophasis.
I'll go ask the book for _its_ beliefs and knowledge, then.
I think you mean esoterica. Exoterica is explicit by definition.
No, but thanks for playing. I think that's enough. You've got the 'ism and I'm afraid it's terminal.
>>8
You're VERY intelligent and ERUDITE. Roberto Bolaño would have envied you.
>>9
The razor barely fits there. Education is crucial for a nation to survivde and thrive. From the other side are machiavellian politicians for whom education is the second most dangerous enemy.
Are you joking?
The ism? What the fuck does that mean?
Your jeering tone is despicable btw. Grow a pair.
I'm only 23. 👿
>>12
If you don't force smart people to be educators, you end up with shitty babysitters. That's not a political conspiracy.
Anon DESTROYS anon with NAMES and JARGON.
>>17
And who is able to force them?
Also being smart does not mean being a good educator.
Explain.
Don't you have anything else to say, prick? Your derision only demonstrates how cripplingly mediocre you are. I pity your children.
You got me. I just want to seem smart. My derision is an insecure ploy to divert your attention away from my own ignorance concerning "poetry, literature, mysticism, ancient philosophy, theology, metaphysics." I'm mediocre prick and my children are to be pitied. The end.
Acknowledging your impotence is the first step. Good job.
What AREN'T you ignorant in?
the ism you have
What ism?
it's exoteric
No. Exoteric means readily available. Open to anyone
*apparent not available
et lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt
The darkness is anterior to the Light. Apophatic discourse characterizes the summit of luminescence as "above light". Cf. Pseudo-Dyonisius.
Nothing is known except through the modality of the knower.
Welp. I guess there's no one willing to talk about shit.
I would love to talk about the Bristol Stool chart.
I'm sure you are well versed in it
What's your deal? Are you the person who quoted a passage in Latin?
Fuck. That's an actual thing? I looked it up.
Type 4 every morning, like clockwork. Whole grains and legumes, friends. Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.
Is that all you have to say?
What do you want me to say? I believe in moderation and cleaving to truth. I'm terrified that I have made irrevocable decisions in my past that will lead to being cast adrift in Samsara. I doubt all existential cures and diseases as egregores formed in consensus reality. We look for truth in the detritus like drunks searching for keys under street lamps. We have no reason to suppose truth is communicable, let alone that consciousness is a motive force rather than a mere side effect. Why even bother with any form of social validation?
All decisions are irrecovable actually. The key is not to fall prey to false identification i.e. seeing Self in what is not Self. Don't worry about samsara. It can be surmounted if you achieve gnosis.
So you don't believe in the manifested universe's transcendent aspects?
Yes. Truth has to be extracted. Mining. Dilution. Wisdom is not communicable. The path needs to be trodden by you alone. Conciousness could be understood as a side-effect of embodiment and generation. Subject/object dichotomy. I don't bother with validation on a personal level.
All that aside, why did you have kids?
How old are you? Have you read Emil Cioran?
i had kids because i love bustin' a nut bro
Of course. I'm not a bro.
You could have nutted in her mouth. Just saying. Or in her eyes.
Are you the same person who posted the other answer?
it's fuckin' awesome to think that i busted a nut so good in that bitch that it crawled out of her and did algebra
I was always told that even a horse could be taught differentiation.
There's more than one person that posts here, you know.
Who are you then?
I don't remember making this post.
Which one? I'm the OP.
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I'm the same guy as before. The ignorant prick with kids and regular shits familiar with Simone Weil.
Ah. Well. How old are you?
What other thinkers do you enjoy? How are your shits familiar with Weil?
Why are you slow to reply?
Neither delighting nor protesting, I was dissatisfied. Without expressing dissatisfaction, without accepting his teaching, without adopting it, I got up from my seat and left.
Have you read the Nikayas too?
Upanishads?
Before we had our becoming here, we existed There, men other than now; we were pure souls. Intelligence inbound with the entire of reality, not fenced off, integral to that All. [...] Then it was as if One voice sounded. One word was uttered and from every side an ear attended and received and there was an effective hearing; now we are become a dual thing, no longer that which we were at first, dormant, and in a sense no longer present.
Fuck. This is boring.
Do I have to hold a gun against your head to get a word out?
>>41
Life is good
Let the void call whom it may
'Tis our journey to refuse
Amply decorous sumptuous play
Here ye hear ye the good news:
Life is good
Have you tried going to think tank or an Uni?
Yes. I study. Comparative Lit. I'm going to pursue an MA in Computer Sciences later on.
FEED THE STATE MORE GRISTLY WOE
CLAMP THE COGS DOWN FINELY DOWN
RENDER REDDER CAESAR MISER
UPON THE ALBAN EIDERDOWN
we have a goddamn poetry thread
also: gristle is fine eats.
>>68
Are you implying we should intelligently converse there?
Where is said thread?
Anyone there?
I'm here, but what do I have to say? Only this: watch your back.
Why?
Because it ain't got no eyeballs on it.
unless it do.
It's got my balls on it.
Not anymore. 🔪 Chop chop.
Is anyone here single?
🔪 Chop chop.
Castration?!
I want to be stabbed to death by a pretty lady.
>>79
by the looks of it, I think everyone here is single
Anyone looking to talk?
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I'm the OP btw.
>>83
yes I'm looking to talk
Good. Where? Any contact info?
+1 787 203 1545
That's my Whatsapp number.
>>77-81
"Sir, this wood is much too thick, and hard for us to pass by machete." one soldier said. Another commented "It would take us a lifetime!" But it was clear to all who were present that the general would have none of it - that she couldn't think of a more effective mechanism to clear the wood is indicative of her state. You see the general was never a particularly strong woman. Even at the very beginning of the campaign she had struggled to direct her thoughts to anything but the wood. Within a year it was clear the alcohol she used to cope was undermining her ability to fulfill her duties. She was drinking herself to death, and would do her best to have herself and all her men die deep in the throw of that wood. Within six months of entering the wood most of the men would desert, but a small band remained with the general. They did this not out respect, or a sense of duty, but of pity for the woman, whose death would free them soon enough anyway.
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free association.
"free"
Natural rights and an absolute sovereign aren't contradictory in the Anglo school of thought, see one of its most famous representatives, Thomas Hobbes. (There's no such thing as natural law, which is always a contractual human affair between the governor and the governed).
There's no such thing as absolute sovereignty, which is always a consensual affair between a suzerain, the suzerainty, and physics.
Regicides can be proscripted, but that exception only proves the rule. Absolute sovereignty cannot be violated, whereas all human rulers can be at best suzerains with willing adjuncts.
don't be so dripless
>>94 suzerain vassal treaty is a fantastic thing for getting work done, but a bit 'ardcore. if all men are equal, and that is my humble and correct opinion, then what right does any man have to rule over another without consent?
>>97
There is no ruling over another without their continually given consent. A human ruler cannot remove agency from humans, they can only increase the cost of certain actions.
these dubs were free
>>99
holy keyed
thoughever, 100GET
vertigo is just another one of God's little life lessons. You realize, as you get older, than you take your body for granted - you assume good health is a norm. Once you get sick, it becomes abundantly clear that feeling well is a huge deal - the most important thing in life - and suddenly your life priorities become rearranged. Having "nice stuff" becomes secondary to having life security.
Our ancestors understood this well as they were probably sick most of the time. Why do you think a traditional greeting was, how are you today? or other inquiries as to your state of being. It was because, back then, being well was the exception, not the rule, and if you read the biographies of famous historical figures, you realize they were in pain, much of the time.
We are fortunate - or were - to grow up in a postwar era where we were all vaccinated - or were - and didn't suffer from things like polio (as FDR did) or other childhood diseases like chicken pox. Today, we have a host of new illnesses to suffer from and some of the "oldies" are making a comeback, thanks to a blithe ignorance of the realities of human health. People who live amazingly healthy lives, thanks to medical science and vaccinations are deciding that since they are so healthy, their kids don't need to be vaccinated. What a shame - the gift of heath, squandered because they read something on Facebook.