I kno I'm risking to get 403'd for this thread, from textboarder Scheme tsar, but YOLO, I've been 403'd so many times I have no hope to stay here & might leave this place (so I may just leave & become friends with feds), so this could be my last thread here, I really want to know
So I just noticed this board focused primarily on Lithp derrived family of langs
I mainly been writing in dynamic langs whole my life, and I've seen your infiltration psy-op squadron on Hackernews & everywhere all over the internet brainwhashing me to learn Lisp, with Ritch Hickey & other more mature 'programming uncles' prophets, evangelists earning gazillions of USD from Oracle.
Is there any practical serious benefit for me ($INSERTDYNLANGNAME)ist to not just learn but actually USE Lisp in my day to day projects, life???
I've tried Dereck Banas yt tutorial & a bit of SICP, made Hanoi Towers, and seen some of MIT video lectures Sus man & Abelson ... It has not done miracles to me idk why, I can't grasp Lithp magic or what's so lovely about it that I'll feel the need that'll must use it everyday everythere.
Lisp kind of may be cool in comparison to C C++ Java 1.4 ... but for person using ruby/python/js I don't see benefits of ditching them for Lisp.
The most oversold overhyped biggest selling feature is Metaprogramming with macro. Well, maybe it does feel slightly more natural do do that in Lisp, write DSLs, define own syntax, or write code that generates code, since everything is a List. But I can do SAME, ALL of THIS & everything in Python AST. I can parse it, I can make DSL, define new syntax, new operators, generate code, eval it on the fly.
So why you keep telling me in my face & insisting me that Lisp is better & I have to use it?
Is it me being stupid here, not grasping some aspects of Lisp, or you trying to justify 50k annual spend on your Comp Sci degree by telling everyone what to do?
Try writing a couple dozen compilers and you will start to understand what Lisp is all about. If you can't appreciate it yet from what you already know of it, you can only expand your understanding through experience.
>>2
Elitist wizard.
is 99,9% of programming jobs in market about building compilers/DSLs?
>>4
Only if you work at Microshaft and have Alyssa P. Hacker, Ben Bitdiddle, Eva Lu Ator, etc. as your colleagues.
>>3
Thing is, I won't insist you have to use it. You started this thread. You asked. If you don't actually care, I don't care either.
Lisp is a better tool for certain jobs. Hard jobs. Stuff outside most people's comfort zone. If all you're writing is glue code to make one API talk to another API, and you don't need it to run on any particular CPU, and nobody will care if you burn a million cycles per arithmetic operation, you can write whatever in Python and that's fine. In fact, you can get paid loads of money for it and it's none of my damn business.
For some other things, having a more intimate knowledge of Lisp will make your life easier and free you to concentrate on the problem at hand, but only if you've already invested the time and energy to develop those skills. If you run into such a problem, it probably won't be worth it to take a detour into building your Lisp muscles first. That's just yak shaving. Go deal with the actual problem.
I don't have anything profound to say. You can develop your Lisp skills by goofing off and doing shit that doesn't matter, with a small chance it might pay off someday as a productivity multiplier. If you can't afford to goof off and try learning random stuff, then I guess you just can't. Is that sad, or is it just reality? I don't really care. It's not my call to make. Perhaps you will learn to be at peace with yourself.