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Libre web browser, email client and IRC-client

1 2022-06-22 20:10

Hi,

I'd like to gradually replace non-free FireFox and Thunderbird with appropriate GPL-licensed software.

1. I'd like to start with IRC-client, which I visit rarer than other 2 Thunderbird's is anyway inferior. What are modern GUI GTK-based standalone IRC-clients? Pidgin looks outdated.
2. Email-client. As a GNOME user I probably would go with Evolution, but your suggestions are very welcome.
3. Finally, a program I use most. I tried SeaMonkey. it's inferior. I like Pale Moon, but it unfortunately has inappropriate license. Is IceCat decent? I haven't tried it yet. Also, gopher/gemini support won't hurt, if you have some good recommendations.

Thanks in advance, good Sirs!

2 2022-06-22 20:32

hi

3 2022-06-22 20:35

>>2

Hello, Sir. How can I help you today?

4 2022-06-22 20:52

Just use Emacs for IRC and e-mail, as I do.

5 2022-06-22 20:55

If you're a fan of GTK, HexChat and Sylpheed are nice clients.
As far as usable browsers go, your options are thinner these days. I personally like SeaMonkey a lot, but IceCat is good if you're used to Firefox and your system packages it. There's also some WebKitGTK-based browsers around which are usable.

6 2022-06-22 21:03

>>4

Name the plugins.

7 2022-06-22 21:58

Gnus and erc. Both are built in.

8 2022-06-22 22:34

>>6
I use erc, there's another available, and both rmail and gnus.

9 2022-06-23 06:32

mpl 2.0 is 100% libre

10 2022-06-23 09:00

>>9

Proofs? I've read different opinions on that: from "compatible with GPL" to

While the Firefox source code from the Mozilla project is free software, they distribute and recommend nonfree software as plug-ins and addons. Also their trademark license imposes requirements for the distribution of modified versions that make it inconvenient to exercise freedom 3.

11 2022-06-23 09:27

I tried Hexchat, it's fine for me.

I'll use it before I replace Linux tranny shitware with Emacs completely.

12 2022-06-23 11:54

>>7

I use the same.

eww is decent too for lightweight sites. But I need to keep Firefox around for most commercial sites, unless they're designed to work without Javascript.

For similar tools, there's also sbbs.el for using this board. And I try to migrate as much as possible of my regular Web browsing to RSS/Atom feeds and Newsticker.

13 2022-06-23 11:58

Are gnus just anus with a g

14 2022-06-23 12:37

>>13

In some Slavic languages it's gnat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnat

15 2022-06-23 13:19

>>12

Web browsing to RSS/Atom feeds and Newsticker

What do you use for RSS/Atom feeds? I also use Thunderbird for that, are there any replacements outside browser extensions and outside Emacs.

16 2022-06-23 13:39

>>10

they distribute and recommend nonfree software

this shit absolutely does not infringe a fucking thing
lol what heck you are FREE to use them or not
licences imply priority use of the english language*, but you can simply not use it at all
*it is well known that the english language is considered harmful

Also their trademark license imposes... inconvenient

protecting your name is not an "inconvenience"
i can not keep naming things as gnu at my personal pleasure, it offends and assaults the reputation of many

17 2022-06-23 13:54

>>15

Sorry I was unclear. I use the Newsticker feature of Emacs to read feeds ( https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/newsticker/index.html ). I don't know enough to recommend standalone programs outside Emacs.

For the past few years I've been trying to live as much as possible in Emacs (i.e. use it as more than a text editor). I just got tired of learning new programs that work wildly differently every few years. For example for IRC I went through ircII->bitchX->irssi->weechat, all of which are very good but I just got tired of the churn. Similarly for pine/mutt/alpine. Emacs has always been there, all the parts of it work somewhat similar to each other, it's very well documented. And I suspect it will stick around for another few decades anyway.

18 2022-06-23 17:03

ungoogled-chromium (certified FREE SOFTWARE by default in the GNU Guix operating system's repository)
claws-mail
I don't know any IRC. I know that Emacs has an IRC client called erc, and it can have GUI in GTK, so maybe it technically fits.

19 2022-06-25 13:20

IRC

Install Irssi or Hexchat (if you want a gui)

Email-client

Install Claws Mail (if you want a gui) or Mutt/NeoMutt

browser

Install Chromium/Ungoogled Chromium and Lynx (use it for Gopher and WWW). Use Amfora for Gemini.

20 2022-06-25 16:23

elfeed and eww are great for just reading stuff in emacs

21 2022-06-25 21:41 *

> 19

It seems obvious from this thread that you're getting at least 2, maybe 3 sets of recommendations. Depending on what kind of UI you want: GUI, Text UI, or Emacs. This is really up to your taste, but is the first thing you need to decide.

Just to fill in a blank, I wasn't sure if you were interested in Gemini (although I like it). But elpher is a good browser for that in Emacs.

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