>>14 i've used hemlock fulltime for a year. the unsatisfying aspect of the "emacs" paradigm is that the original lisp machines didn't really have everything living inside the editor. editor was just another, smart, widget that you could integrate into programs. hemlock makes it obvious: typeout, exception handling, various lisp integration features are better off living outside, but there's no framework to support this outside. mcclim and friends is simultaneously anemic compared to the real deal, and over engineered. emacs to some extent is the ultimate worse is better slap in the face: it even at being good enough lisp machine because it's such a hack.