Are you using a vaccine passport?
Why or why not?
I am vaccinated (two shots from the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine) and have this local immunity certificate. I'm not sure if it can function as a "vaccine passport" or not, I am not planning international travel any time soon.
I applied for the vaccine to stop my parents nagging me about it.
i vaccinato i drinked all residu from syringe i founded in bin behind hospitol i think is pfizer
I'm vaccinated for all the normal stuff as everyone should be. Looking at the data though the COVID vaccines appear to be extreme outliers in terms of deaths per shots administered and have some other serious side effects. My chance of death/chronic health problems are lower without them (death given probability of actually contracting COVID (given my (lack of) social habits) vs probability of death with the vaccine) so I abstain.
Even without the calculation the whole situation is wrong socially. Just a year before scientists were telling amateurs to stop messing around with RNA therapy because it's dangerous and the lack of accountability for the manufactures along with everything else is extremely frighting. In my country we never really stopped state sponsored genocide by sterilizing women of unpopular races. It's probably best to wait at least a few years and see what happens.
I will absolutely never use a vaccine passport (not one that includes flu/covid vaccines anyway.) That idea is entirely unacceptable to me.
I heard the mRNA vaccines helped with Long COVID, and since I was suffering similar symptoms I did get vaccinated (Moderna). There were several times that my symptoms were much worse than Long COVID, so if this was what helped, I imagine it was only part of the solution. My only symptom, both times, was a slightly sore shoulder for three days. Despite this I'm not certain I will take future mRNA vaccines when they become available.
>>1
I don't have an issue with vaccine passports. I think this should have happened much sooner, and seems far more valid than border security searching laptops etc.
>>4
Out of curiosity which country is that?
>>6
I don't see how border security doing something wrong now validates them doing something wrong later.
>>7
I wasn't trying to say that; it seems independently valid to me. Why would a country allow external disease vectors to enter their country if this is trivially avoidable?
>>8
Requiring covid vaccines will not prevent it from entering the country at all really. Vaccinated people still get infected and spread it. The only way to really prevent that is with multiple accurate tests combined with strict quarantines. No one wants that though and once the population is infected restricting travel does nothing, it might help with new viruses but we obviously don't have vaccines for those.
>>9
The Chinese approach is really the only one available. You're completely correct that the vaccine passports are an idiotic way to go about things, I see that now.
i am double vax'd with the pfizer mutagen.
cowabunga dudes
>>10
An alternative approach is to actually look at the data and recognize that while it's an extremely bad cold, it's not something warranting serious action like polio did. Personally I don't even know anyone who's died directly from COVID but I know many who have died as a result of the measures taken to try to eradicate it.
What's wrong with vaccination passports? They are a lot less intrusive than biometric ones and very few people seem to protest those.
Your fingerprint is public so having it put into a new database isn't particularly intrusive. It's arguably a waste of time but something you can largely forget about. Being forced to inject something into your body is much more concerning so it shouldn't be surprising that people protest it.
My fingerprint is certainly not public, it is one of my most private possessions. Capturing it, a practice once reserved only for the criminals, is a hostile act. That it has been normalized to this level, where you just accept it without questioning it, is a tragedy. Even livestock is treated with more dignity than us.
>>12
The Chinese were able to almost entirely solve this issue by March 2020 without lethal measures, and without effecting most of the population for extended periods of time. Due to their lack of large quantities of medical technology their fatality rate was around 2%, and if you applied this to the overall population you're talking about a very large pile of dead Chinamen. Letting things fester seems only remotely viable if you have more equipment than any state realistically has. I think was Alan Perlis who said: Americans solve problems with much equipment and little thought. Maybe if you had controlled outbreaks with a smaller amount of equipment this could also work, haha.
>>15
It's bad but it really is public. Unless you wear gloves you leave it on everything you touch. Many modern personal computers and financial software are starting to require fingerprint reader use. It's good to protest but as we see here there are much worse things.
>>16
We're not running out of equipment in the US we're running out of nurses. You hear about it in the south because that's where most of the nurses refused to get vaccinated and got fired, thus causing a shortage.
>>18
The US implemented exactly the proposal I was laughing about: ``Maybe if you had controlled outbreaks with a smaller amount of equipment this could also work.'' Even still there were numerous equipment shortages before supply was able to scale, half-assed regulations were able to bring things under control for a time, and big pharmaceutical came to save the day. Hence the low fatality rate. I would argue that this is exactly what no one wants, but few people wanted to let the thing fester until we ran out of ventilators and wiped out 2% of the population either. Maybe you're out of nurses now (I don't know), but this wouldn't have been an issue until very recently. Further this issue sounds to be a direct byproduct of the amusing US ``solution'' described above.
vaccinated with this cum on my dick
>>19
Unlike China, welding people into their apartments and not allowing black people into restaurants is considered unacceptable here. Part of the cost of living in a more advanced country is that you sometimes have to work around other people's rights. If you don't like that then you should have a talk with Chinese immigration.
>>21
Living in a ``more advanced country'' doesn't seem to get you much as seen in this thread ( also very related: https://textboard.org/sol/307/1 ). I may go somewhere once I have some funds (or a distance job); I haven't decided yet.
I honestly thought people were against the concept of a vaccination passport in general, but they really only have issue with the COVID vaccine? I wish they would make it clear, otherwise they will keep misleading people into believing that they actually have something intelligent to say.
The thread title is "So, are you vaccinated?" after all.
>>23
Depriving you of your normal life is forced vaccination. Maybe they're against that?
>>25
It does not seem to be the case. They are against the COVID vaccine. They do not care about other vaccination passports that have been in use for nearly a century now. This is a fake controversy manufactured to distract from the real crisis.
>>26
Why can't we be against both?
Depriving you of your normal life is forced vaccination.
Vaccination against what?
>>16
No offense but this "china solved it" nonsense is retarded. Everyone can "solve" covid if they require symptoms and a positive antigen test 3 days after a positive PCR. Not even needed to fix the CT at some sane level. Those requirements are enough to move towards zero "cases" in no time.
>>26
The old passports served no real purpose other than reminding you which shot you got when. I haven't seen this piece of paper in the last ~30 years and it didn't make a difference. Will the new ones work like this too? Doesn't look like it by all the digital entry controls and shit.
Using fingerprints for authorization is just wrong. Can't be hashed due to needing detection thresholds and once it's leaked it's leaked forever. Getting new fingers likely won't be an option.
>>30
Yes, it is just a piece of paper telling the border guards which vaccinations do you have. Certain countries require some vaccinations or they will deny you access. Yellow fever is the classic example.
That's true in regards to countries with actual high-death-rate diseases. Covid isn't one of those at an average of ~0,15% and it's not like the vaccines result in sterile immunity anyways. Regardless it's not like i'll need this damned passport to enter countries. It's basically mandatory for 50% of all social events by now and it's getting pushed further.
Viruses are a hoax.
Germs are all basically bullshit, because honestly, if they're invisible- how am I supposed to believe in that?
I am dying for you to accept Christ today.
>>35
So you die for nothing...
>>36 they're pointing out the discrepancy between faith in Jesus and faith in the lack of a virus.
You could just uno-reverso card it and point out how often people have faith in science without ever looking at the fine print
In short they're a smug one making a caricature of the usual anti-vaxxer
I finally understand, Christians are against vaccination because prematurely dying from natural cases is like a shortcut through the vale of tears.
There are so many Christians in the world to where it'd be hard to make any generalization about them.
This polarity between religion, spirituality, and science makes a genuine thought process and conversation hard to have.
The word God means nothing and yet everything to people - there's no common vernacular.
There's no room for nuance with dogmatic practices.
The same could be said with this COVID stuff. COVID should serve as a jumpstarter to rethink your approach to disease.
Just as people have too much faith in old religions, people now have too much faith in old "science"
Clearly vaccines do not work, or are founded upon principles we should reevaluate.
African American Vernacular English
Are you using a vaccine passport?
Why or why not?
You should always carry your vaccine passport. It is your ticket to freedom when the government starts to round up all the anti-vaxxers (and non-vaxxers) to transport them to isolation camps.
Look at Canada and Australia. You're not getting freedoms after getting vaccinated, just whatever is worse and comes next.
Forced medical treatment should not happen in a free and liberal democracy.